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Florida Bar Defense Attorney Hearing Tip of the Month
Having just returned from the Orlando meeting before the Florida Board of Bar Examiners, I think it is important to emphasis to applicants the importance of fiscal responsibility.
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners is not a debt collection agency nor do they work for your creditors. If you are admitted as an attorney in Florida, you can immediately open a trust account and will be responsible for managing the account and making sure you follow all the bar rules concerning trust accounting. It is clearly a red flag if as a non-attorney applicant there is strong evidence of not being able to manage your own financial affairs.
One particular creditor the Florida Bar does not want to see you turn your back on is the Internal Revenue Service. If you owe the IRS money and you can’t afford to pay them at the time, make a payment plan or offer what you can afford. If anything, this at least evidences some financial responsibility that you can resolve your own debts and come to a resolution.
Many times creditors will accept pennies on the dollar and I work with and advise my Florida Bar hearing clients on how to resolve the vast majority of their debts prior to their hearing. While sitting before the Board it is best to not have anything delinquent.
For more information speak to a Florida Bar hearing defense lawyer at the Soreide Law Group. We represent those seeking admittance to The Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both Investigative Hearings and Formal Hearings in front of The Florida Bar. Please call (888) 760-6552.
Last Minute Check List before Appearing Before the Florida Board of Bar Examiners for an Investigative Hearing
Character and fitness hearings before the Florida Board of Bar Examiners are becoming increasingly common. No two hearings are the same, however the Board is going to weigh the new or further evidence you present at the investigative hearing with the elements listed in Florida Bar Admission Rule 3-12 “Determination of Present Character” during all hearings. If you are unrepresented, and the trend over the last several years is to hire representation for this hearing, carefully examine and consider the rules before appearing.
Disqualifying Conduct
There are many scenerios considered ‘disqualifying conduct’ to The Florida bar. According to Rule 3-11 a lack of honesty, trustworthiness, reliability or diligence may cause you denial to The Florida Bar.
The following list was compiled by The Florida Bar. This information appears on their website. These reasons may give cause for further inquiry before admittance.
- Unlawful conduct by applicant
- Academic misconduct
- Making or procuring any false or misleading statement or omission of relevant information, including any false or misleading statement or omission on the Bar Application, or any amendment, or in any testimony or sworn statement submitted to the board
- Misconduct in employment
- Acts involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation
- Abuse of legal process
- Financial irresponsibility
- Neglect of professional obligations
- Violation of an order of a court
- Evidence of mental or emotional instability
- Evidence of drug or alcohol dependency
- Denial of admission to the bar in another jurisdiction on character and fitness grounds
- Disciplinary action by a lawyer disciplinary agency or other professional disciplinary agency of any jurisdiction
- Any other conduct which reflects adversely upon the character and fitness of the applicant
This concludes the information acquired from The Florida Bar’s website.
Attorney Lars K. Soreide, of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both Investigative Hearings and Formal Hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please call (888) 760-6552 or visit: https://www.floridabarhearing.com.
The Ohio Supreme Court Denied Law License for Law School Graduate with $170,000 in Student Loans
Many law school graduates are all too aware of their accumulating pile of debt, but few may realize it can prevent them from practicing law and destroy any hopes of paying down their loans, wrote Susanna Kim of abcnews.com in a recent article.
The highest court in Ohio denied recent law school grad, Hassan Jonathan Griffin, his bar application because he didn’t have a plan to pay back $170,000 in school debt.
The Ohio Supreme Court, on January 11, said Griffin lacked a “feasible plan to satisfy his financial obligations.” Griffin’s debts include $150,000 from law school, $20,000 from his undergraduate studies and $16,500 in credit card debt.
The Ohio Supreme Court, which regulates admission to the practice of law in Ohio, requires that an applicant be at least 21 years old, have a bachelor’s degree and law degree, and pass the Ohio bar examination.
The state’s rules specify that prior to taking the bar exam, applicants must demonstrate they possess “the requisite character, fitness, and moral qualifications for admission to the practice of law.”
Griffin, 40, had applied in November, 2009, for the February, 2010 bar exam, but his increasing financial obligations led to an investigation by the state’s Board of Commissioners on Character and Fitness.
Griffin graduated from Arizona State University in 2004 when he was 34 and worked full-time as a stockbroker for over five years before attending The Ohio State University Mortiz College of Law.
It was reported that since completing his first year of law school, Griffin has worked 24 to 32 hours a week at the Franklin County Public Defender’s Office. Though he graduated from law school in 2008, he has been unable to obtain a full-time job and still earns $12 per hour at the public defender’s office.
The board recommended that the court reject Griffin but permit him to reapply for the February, 2011 bar exam. Griffin confirmed he is re-applying for the February exam and said his financial matters are now in better order.
Many law school grads are unemployed, but it is rare they fail the character and fitness test because of their personal finances.
In April, 2009, the Texas Court of Appeals revoked the probationary law license of a man in Houston with undergraduate and law school loans of around $90,000 plus interest and $58,000 in “unsecured loans.”
“We handle about 100 contested hearings a year, and very rarely is financial responsibility the subject of the hearing, and even more rarely is the situation where the board decides to deny” the license, the Texas Board of Law Examiners’ executive director Julia E. Vaughan told The Texas Lawyer.
The New York state appellate court rejected the license application of Robert Bowman in April 2009, according to a story in the New York Times. A court subcommittee cited student debt of over $430,000 belonging to the University of California’s Hastings law school graduate.
The Education Department recently decided that Bowman’s debts will be recalculated and he is not in default, allowing him to re-apply for his license.
Kim writes that the American Bar Association (ABA) reported that the average amount borrowed for law school was $91,506 for private schools and $59,324 for public schools in 2008. A committee from the ABA wrote in a report that these figures do not include debt from students’ undergraduate years and an average law school student will graduate with debt “well in excess of $100,000.”
But among law graduates from the class of 2008, 42 percent of graduates had an annual salary of less than $65,000. And the ABA report said prospects are even bleaker now, with students competing for half as many jobs at top law firms.
“Far too many law students expect that earning a law degree will solve their financial problems for life,” the ABA committee wrote. “In reality, however, attending law school can become a financial burden for law students who fail to consider carefully the financial implications of their decision.”
Attorney Lars Soreide, of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both Investigative Hearings and Formal Hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please call (888) 760-6552 or visit: www.floridabarhearing.com.
The Florida Supreme Court Summaries of Orders Issued between May 21– June 28, 2012
On The Florida Bar’s website, it was announced that the Florida Supreme Court in recent court orders, has disciplined 22 attorneys, disbarring 10, and suspending eight. Some of the attorneys received more than one form of discipline. Three of the attorneys were placed on probation; four attorneys were publicly reprimanded.
As an official arm of the Florida Supreme Court, The Florida Bar and its Department of Lawyer Regulation are charged with administering a statewide disciplinary system to enforce Supreme Court rules of professional conduct for the 93,000-plus lawyers admitted to practice law in Florida. (This information was obtained on the Florida Bar website.)
Lars Soreide, of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, will represent those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both Investigative Hearings and Formal Hearings in front of The Florida Bar. For more information about our services please call for a free consultaion: (888) 760-6552 or visit: www.floridabarhearing.com.
FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DISCIPLINES 16 ATTORNEYS
Summary of orders issued July 14 – Aug. 30, 2011 posted on The Florida Bar’s website
The Florida Bar, the state’s guardian for the integrity of the legal profession, announces that the Florida Supreme Court in recent court orders disciplined 16 attorneys, disbarring seven and suspending six. Some attorneys received more than one form of discipline. Two attorneys were placed on probation; two attorneys were publicly reprimanded. One attorney was ordered to pay restitution.
Court orders are not final until time expires to file a rehearing motion and, if filed, determined. The filing of such a motion does not alter the effective date of the discipline. Disbarred lawyers may not re-apply for admission for five years. They are required to go through an extensive process that rejects many who apply. It includes a rigorous background check and retaking the bar exam.
As an official arm of the Florida Supreme Court, The Florida Bar and its Department of Lawyer Regulation are charged with administering a statewide disciplinary system to enforce Supreme Court rules of professional conduct for the 90,000-plus lawyers admitted to practice law in Florida.
This information appeared on The Florida Bar’s website.
Attorney Lars Soreide, of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both Investigative Hearings and Formal Hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please call call (888) 760-6552 or visit: www.floridabarhearing.com.
The State of Florida’s SUPREME COURT DISCIPLINES 12 ATTORNEYS
On The Florida Bar’s website, June 30th., 2011, that The Florida Bar, the state’s guardian for the integrity of the legal profession, announced the Florida Supreme Court in recent court orders disciplined 12 attorneys, disbarring four and suspending five. Some attorneys received more than one form of discipline. Three attorneys were placed on probation; three attorneys were publicly reprimanded.
The Florida Bar article goes on to say that as an official arm of the Florida Supreme Court, The Florida Bar and its Department of Lawyer Regulation are charged with administering a statewide disciplinary system to enforce Supreme Court rules of professional conduct for the 90,000-plus lawyers admitted to practice law in Florida. Since Aug. 1, 2007, case files have been posted to attorneys’ individual Florida Bar profiles and may be reviewed at and/or downloaded from The Florida Bar’s website.
Court orders are not final until time expires to file a rehearing motion and, if filed, determined. The filing of such a motion does not alter the effective date of the discipline. Disbarred lawyers may not re-apply for admission for five years. They are required to go through an extensive process that rejects many who apply. It includes a rigorous background check and retaking the bar exam. Historically, fewer than 5 percent of disbarred lawyers seek readmission.
This information was obtained on The Florid Bar’s website.
Attorney Lars Soreide, of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both investigative hearings and formal hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please visit: www.floridabarhearing.com , or call (888) 760-6552 to speak to an attorney.
Law Schools Are Getting Practical
In a Wall Street Journal article by Patrick Lee, he writes that looking to attract employers’ attention, some law schools are throwing out decades of tradition by replacing textbook courses with classes that teach more practical skills.
Lee says that Indiana University Maurer School of Law started teaching project management this year and also offers a course on so-called emotional intelligence. The class has no textbook and instead uses personality assessments and peer reviews to develop students’ interpersonal skills.
Additionally, New York Law School hired 15 new faculty members over the past two years, many directly from the ranks of working lawyers, to teach skills in negotiation, counseling and fact investigation. The school says it normally hires one or two new faculty a year, and usually those focused on legal research.
A few elite players also are making adjustments. Harvard Law School last year launched a problem-solving class for first-year students, and Stanford Law School is considering making a full-time clinical course—which entails several 40-hour plus weeks of actual case work—a graduation requirement.
Washington and Lee University School of Law completely rebuilt its third-year curriculum in 2009, swapping out lectures and Socratic-style seminars for case-based simulations run by practicing lawyers.
“Law firms are saying, ‘You’re sending us peoplewho are not in a position to do anything useful for clients.’ This is a first effort to try and fix that,” says Larry Kramer, the law dean at Stanford.

These moves come amid a prolonged downturn in the legal job market. Only about one-quarter of last year’s graduating law-school classes—down from 33% in 2009—snagged positions with big law firms, according to the National Association for Law Placement, an organization that collects employment data.
Lee goes on to say that in past years, a law firm could bill clients for a new lawyer’s work, even if that time were spent getting the novice up to speed. During the recession, corporate clients started limiting the number of hours a firm could charge and made it a policy not to pay for first-year associates.
“This is a push from clients saying, ‘Why are we going to pay this kind of money? We don’t want to train the new lawyers,'” says Jennifer Queen.
There are also fewer jobs to go around at a time when lawyers are in excess. In 2010, there were more than twice as many people—about 54,000—who passed the bar exam than there were legal job openings in the U.S., according to an analysis by consultants at Economic Modeling Specialists Inc.
Most law schools’ offerings cover a wide range of topics, but clinical placements—often students’ first chance for a taste of real law work—are usually optional and far fewer in number than theory-based courses.
“Medical students learn from real doctors in a real hospital during their education. In law, we’re learning from a bunch of academics who have deliberately elected not to pursue law as a profession…there’s such a disconnect,” says BeiBei Que, a 2007 graduate of the University of Illinois College of Law. Ms. Que, who runs a boutique law firm that helps tech start-ups navigate legal issues, says she had to pick up practical skills—networking, soliciting clients, forming a business plan—on her own.
Law schools have generally lagged behind other, more real-world oriented institutions like business schools in piloting practical improvements, as law professors tend to focus on scholarly work, says Bill Henderson, a professor at Maurer. And curriculum change tends to “move like a glacier,” he adds.
The WSJ article points out that many remain skeptical that new approaches to education will have a meaningful impact on the ability of lawyers to land jobs. “It could enhance the reputation of the law school…as places that will produce new lawyers who have practical skills,” says Timothy Lloyd, a partner at Hogan Lovells. “As to the particular student when I’m interviewing them? It doesn’t make much of a difference.”
Other recruiters say schools that have overhauled programs need to do a better job of promoting the changes to employers in order to see an impact.
Attorney Lars Soreide of Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both investigative hearings and formal hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please visit: www.floridabarhearing.com or call (888) 760-6552.
The FLORIDA SUPREME COURT DISCIPLINES 25 ATTORNEYS
On May 31, 2011, it was announced on The Florida Bar’s website that The Florida Bar, the state’s guardian for the integrity of the legal profession, the Florida Supreme Court in recent court orders disciplined 25 attorneys, disbarring five and suspending 13. Some attorneys received more than one form of discipline. One attorney was placed on probation; seven attorneys were publicly reprimanded. Four attorneys were ordered to pay restitution.
It was noted that as an official arm of the Florida Supreme Court, The Florida Bar and its Department of Lawyer Regulation are charged with administering a statewide disciplinary system to enforce Supreme Court rules of professional conduct for the 90,000-plus lawyers admitted to practice law in Florida. Since Aug. 1, 2007, case files have been posted to attorneys’ individual Florida Bar profiles and may be reviewed at and/or downloaded from The Florida Bar’s website.
The court orders are not final until time expires to file a rehearing motion and, if filed, determined. The filing of such a motion does not alter the effective date of the discipline. Disbarred lawyers may not re-apply for admission for five years. They are required to go through an extensive process that rejects many who apply. It includes a rigorous background check and retaking the bar exam. Historically, fewer than 5 percent of disbarred lawyers seek readmission.
The Soreide Law Group, PLLC, represents those seeking admittance to the Florida Bar, and existing lawyers, for both investigative hearings and formal hearings in front of the Florida Bar. For more information about our services please visit: www.floridabarhearing.com or call (888) 760-6552.
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